Sunday 9 June 2013

My Journey with Coffee Grinders

Just this weekend, I've finally received one grinder that I've been eye-ing all year long but never pull the trigger because of the price. And eventually, I gave in and bought it with my salary incentive. ;P A clue: It's name is Rosco Mini.

This is yet another hand grinder into my collection. Ever wonder why I am so into hand grinders? Let's do a little bit of reminiscent shall we??

I started my espresso journey with a mere Capresso Infinity. It uses 38-mm conical burrs and has stepped adjustment. It has a black and white theme which looks like beautiful piano. Being in for espresso, the stepped adjustment is sufficient but not perfect. If you have used any grinder before, you will know that grind retention is always the bane in all electrical grinder. For specialty coffee, we strive for freshest coffee and yet there is this some ground coffee that remained in the grind path, that you cannot get it out no matter what. Needless to say, this is also the same story in the Capresso.

Pic: Cappresso Infinity

Staying in the United States at that time, I have abundant access to their second hand grinder market. Subsequently, I upgraded my Cappresso Infinity into a used La Pavoni PGC. It also uses a 38mm conical burrs, a little bit different because it's using a burr design that was coined as Trespade burrs. These burrs are supposedly designed for espresso grinding, and can produce admirable result in the cup. The apparent upgrade, for me, was that it has a stepless worm gear adjustment. This means that you can make a very fine microadjustment to change the grind size and get the perfect flow on your espresso machine. All is good at this point huh? Wait until you turn on the grinder - the thundering sound of this grinder will almost make your neighbor start packing - they thought the apartment is falling apart. Performance wise, it's decent. But there is this quirk of super loud noise as well as the grind retention that made me do another upgrade sooner than I thought.



Pic: La Pavoni PGC Grinder


At that time, I was very active in Coffeegeek forum. It was my fountain of knowledge that time and I spent like half of my awake time reading it. There's so much info out there! Very often, I bumped into the name Super Jolly. It was mentioned over and over again. And I thought the name was very jolly-jolley, very christmas-ey. The Super Jolly was so called the standard in cafes for espresso grinding. So I started paying attention on Ebay for these. Lucky enough, there're plenty of these floating on second hand market due to Starbucks' decision to dump them, in favor of super-automatic machine. I've managed to secure one of these for around USD 200 with shipping cost.

Pic: Mazzer Super Jolly

Super Jolly is manufactured by Mazzer company in Italy. These beasts are no kid man! They are tough as rock and can suffer the most harshest abuse from any cafe and yet make through in one piece. The outer shell is rock solid, the adjustment is controlled in a stepless manner through their threaded collar. As they say, it is the standard of espresso industry. Very tough and quality.

With my Mazzer Super Jolly still performing, I got myself into another good deal of Mazzer Major, less than USD 300 for high end commercial grinder! Super Jolly is using a 64mm flat burr and Mazzer Major is its big brother, a 83mm flat burr! It grinds faster, and everything else is a step meaner as compared to its little brother - including the size!

Pic: Mazzer Major. It may not be very obvious, but this grinder is HUGE, more so with the hopper on

Both the grinders are good. But as mentioned, there's a common theme between them - the grind retention. I single dose mostly at that time and so getting 16g out of 18g beans I put in just doesn't feel right. With both the grinder, I have to develop a routine, a ritual, to brush out the grind that is retained in the chute.  The brushing ritual works, but it's a hassle and definitely not the most elegant solution.

And later on, there's this 'most innovative grinder of the year' Baratza Vario that garnered a lot of positive feedback from the Coffeegeeks. After digging through Ebay for quite some times, I eventually bump myself into a decent deal. The Baratza Vario uses a ceramic 54mm flat burr. The ceramic burrs doesn't look very robust, but the proof is in the cup. Some said it is almost on par with Super Jolly in the cup due to its unique burrs design. And most importantly, it is famous for its low retention. With about 18g beans in, I can easily get 17.8g out. Good enough I thought. But as everything, there's always something to complain about. Because the Vario is made from mostly plastic and it is using a Macro-Micro adjustment, the grind setting isn't very robust. It is a hair less intuitive to dial in as compared to other grinder and it requires more grind adjustment from day to day. For me, that is a deal breaker because that would waste a lot of coffee bean and I am stingy on that(being a poor student what). ;P

Pic: Baratza Vario

Then, I came into this thread. This thread basically got me interested into trying hand grinder. And so I did. My first grinder that I ordered was a Armin Trosser. It was a box coffee mill that is made of wood. My first impression was that the grinder look nice. After loading beans into the chamber, the crank is so difficult to turn. And at its finest setting, it's obvious it couldnt grind espresso as advertised by the ebay seller. And off it go, back to its owner. Thanks to the seller that keeps to his pride and word.Though I don't think I will ever get another similar box mill again, this hand grinder experience definitely got me hooked.


Pic: Armin Trosser vintage coffee grinder

Maybe it's fate, then there is a new hand grinder - OE Pharos,  that was designed from scratch was born in the house of OrphanEspresso. It is using the Titan-sized conical burrs at 68mm. In espresso, Titan Conical burrs are said and proven to give the best flavors separation and to showcase the single origin coffee best. As you would imagine, I was dying to have one. But owning a Titan Conical grinder is a dream to me at that time, due to the price mainly. Even a used 68mm conical burrs grinder will cost upward of USD 1,000, and not to mention the shipping cost for its size. This 68mm-burrs Pharos comes new at USD 245! It's a fraction of the price of its counterpart, of course minus the motor. I followed closely the owners' review for some while before deciding to get one myself.

Pic: OE Pharos

True enough, as they claimed, the flavors from these burrs are indeed better. But most importantly, it is the other aspects that got me seriously addicted to hand grinding. First, the grind retention is almost negligible. 18g in 17.9g out, sometimes 18g. Grinding motor noise is almost non-existence, except the beautiful sound of the coffee beans cracking inside the burrs. And knowing that the grinder will basically work for a long long time, due to the absence of motor, keeps me a very happy home barista. Another feature of these Titan sized grinder is that they have a larger sweetspot for grind size. You know when you're doing espresso, you have to make fine tweaking to the grind size day-to-day due to the beans aging right? With titan sized grinder, guess what? You don't have to do that or you'll just be doing very very minor tweak. This is just part of the unexpected pleasant surprise.

Eventually, when I finally came back to Malaysia after my graduation, I started my coffee journey again. This time, undoubtedly, my first choice would be hand grinder. Partially due the low retention, and also the durability aspect of a hand grinder. You will never know when the motor will die. It happened to my Cappresso Infinity once but luckily it got replaced under warranty. In Malaysia, if that happens, I suspect the part is difficult to obtain and most likely be very expensive. So, I think I can survive without the motor. ;P A Hario mini was limping along with me for a short while but we said goodbye very soon because of the plasticky built and inferior grind particles.

Thus, I got myself another innovation from OrphanEspresso. This time it was their Lido grinder. It utilizes a small 38mm conical burrs grinder. I know, it's not the Titan sized. But given the budget, this will be good enough, as better coffee will give off better result than a better grinder. And I am not particularly super fussy on this as long as it's a decently pulled shot.

Pic: OE Lido Hand Grinder

It's true that you have to work out a little using these grinder as compared to pressing one button. But for the better quality coffee(zero retention) and cheaper cost, why not? Plus, by hand grinding you get a feel of the coffee beans, whether it's hard or soft, or whether you're grinding too fine. You actually can pick up those senses. These actually gives me a sense of satisfaction. As they said - hand ground, hand-pulled, hands down! 

p/s: I may be adding another 'hand roast' before the 'hand ground', on a 'hand picked' coffee. Hahaha! Will talk about my home roast effort in coming posts.

Lastly, a little sneak peak. ;D Back to the topic, I've just received my Rosco Mini grinder from Ross in Australia as I mention in the start of the entry. First thing first, it's an work of art, and quality! Very precise hand grinder made using solid material and attention to detail. It may looks like the vintage turkish hand grinder, but that is far from the truth - the Rosco mini is on another level!  Next time


14 comments:

  1. Hi Sam, thanks for sharing! Am curious to know how the Rosco compared with the Pharos in terms of grind consistency and fineness? Which is the better buy to you?

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  2. Hi Zammie,
    Both Rosco and Pharos are unbeatable in its own league. The Pharos is utilizing a huge 68mm diameter conical burrs, so it has some advantage in the day-to-day consistency (Less dialing-in needed for aging coffee) and a slight nod for the taste. The difference ,however, is very minimal and unnoticeable unless you drink strictly espresso and make espresso daily. The big downside for Pharos is that it's not as ergonomic to use, and it takes more effort to use - both to grind and to retrieve the grind.
    The Rosco Mini on the other hand, is extremely ergonomic and easy to use. Easy to turn, easy to retrieve the grind, minimal mess and retention, and very easy to dial in due to the precise grind adjustment. Not to mention it's extremely portable. The taste result is fantastic too and the difference between the Pharos barely noticable under ideal condition. For the ease of use, I can give up the minimal taste advantage of Pharos for significant improvement in ergonomic in Rosco.

    Both are good buy. For best (espresso) taste, Pharos is better if you don't mind the extra effort. For ease of use and portability, Rosco Mini is second-to-none. But of course the Rosco Mini is almost double the price of Pharos, so it's really up to you.

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  3. I hope I answered your question with the reply above. Your question about grind consistency and fineness - both are indistinguishable from each other with my naked eye. Both are equally consistent in grind sizes, and both can grind from coarse French Press down to Turkish fine. The only thing is the Pharos grind in espresso range is visually more fluffy - the Rosco is slightly denser.

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  4. Hi Sam, thanks for the replies! It's rare to get a head to head comparison from someone who actually owned both. In fact, you're pretty fortunate to have had your hands on so many different grinders in your coffee journey already!

    If I have my facts right, the OE is only available in the US? I am not sure I want to plump so much for the Rosco / any hand grinder. I am based in KL too btw. I am actually considering the Hario Slim for espresso and later for pourover duty (when I get a dedicated grinder for espresso, likely to be Iberital MC2). What do you think? I know there are divided opinions on the Hario but I am surmising the ones who didnt like it for espresso had not modded it.

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  5. Haha, yes I am indeed fortunate!

    Yes you're right, OE is in the USA. But you can still purchase from them as their business model is pretty much international. I had used the Hario Slim but honestly it's not a long term solution. It works for espresso but you need to grind 3-5 minutes compared to 40 seconds on Rosco/Lido. It's very tiring. Not to mention, the ceramic burrs and plastic bearing will wear out very quickly under daily use. So after a year or so, you will need to change the grinder, even if you use it for pourover - it will produce too much fines down the road. May as well splurge for a better grinder in the first place. Just my 2 cents. Haha.

    Since you're in KL, have a look at Cuppa.com.my. They are currently carrying a Eureka Mignon which is a pretty good espresso grinder and surprisingly reasonable at RM1.6k. Will perform better than the MC2, and I believe,at around the same price level as latter.

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  6. Thanks again for the recommendation. Looks like the Hario will not be my primary grinder for now :)

    The Iberital will cost me about 136 pounds (RM680) as I have someone willing to bring it back from the UK for me. How much was the Lido shipped to you?

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  7. Ahh, that's nice! Can I tag along and bring me back a Londinium Lever? xD

    The Lido cost me around $205 USD shipped so it was about RM600 that time. What espresso machine you're using? Am curious

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  8. Haha! You already have something to drool over - the Caravel!

    I'm just getting into espresso. The Gaggia Classic, Rok Espresso, Iberital MC2 and Pharos are what I am considering now. Actually I think the Hario is still in my mind, for pourover.

    Since the Lido is USD165, sounds like the shipping cost isn't too bad. If so, the Pharos looks a better bet than MC2. Why didn't you bring back your Pharos??

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  9. Haha! The Caravel drool was over for me, I was looking at the Rossa PG so badly that I ended up selling the Caravel to another friend to fund the Rossa. Wish I could both though!

    Just getting into espresso huh? It can get quite pricey ya know. :D *I was already in before I knew it ;P *

    Actually, there's a whole lot of thing I didn't bring back that I regretted so much. Olympia Cremina and Pharos were some of them. I wanted to quit the coffee hobby all together since I thought there was no specialty coffee in Malaysia. How wrong was I and here I am starting with my equipment from scratch. And things are much more expensive over here! The same MC2 grinder you get from UK for sure cant be found for anything less than RM1k in Malaysia.

    Since you're quite open to manual grinding, I think you can try the Pharos if you have a chance. It's really quite a good grinder if you're after the taste.

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